[Asylum_Souljah]

One of my 'fascinations of the moment' is missing people, why, how, where, and when...and specifically why nothing is said, seen or heard at the time in some cases. (This is directly related to my long term interest in 'Does' and how a deceased person gets to the stage where no one misses them enough to claim them or bury them. But thats another side issue).

I have added these two polls here to gauge some idea of how many people are affected by this sort of occurrence. Sites such as doenetwork.org and the Charley Project list hundreds and hundreds of names of the missing, children, women, men and whole families who have just seemed to vanish, and those who may have suffered foul play....

If you wish to elaborate on your answers to my polls, feel free to do so. However this is a sensitive topic that requires maturity and empathy, so dont feel you must divulge any information you do not wish too. Simple yes or no answers as available in the polls are fine.

I will closely monitor this thread and all replies.

[caesar]

Asylum_Souljah, on 08 September 2009 - 09:27 AM, said:

One of my 'fascinations of the moment' is missing people, why, how, where, and when...and specifically why nothing is said, seen or heard at the time in some cases. (This is directly related to my long term interest in 'Does' and how a deceased person gets to the stage where no one misses them enough to claim them or bury them. But thats another side issue).

I have added these two polls here to gauge some idea of how many people are affected by this sort of occurrence. Sites such as doenetwork.org and the Charley Project list hundreds and hundreds of names of the missing, children, women, men and whole families who have just seemed to vanish, and those who may have suffered foul play....

If you wish to elaborate on your answers to my polls, feel free to do so. However this is a sensitive topic that requires maturity and empathy, so dont feel you must divulge any information you do not wish too. Simple yes or no answers as available in the polls are fine.

I will closely monitor this thread and all replies.

Thats a good poll and a great question. my guess is that most of disappearance reports, many involve someone who knows or is related to the missing person

[Allizdog2006]

When I was in the US Navy, there was a guy that go into some trouble while in a foreign port in Mexico (The ship was there for four days), he "borrowed" another guy's wallet, which had his Military ID, drivers license, credit card, etc in it. He used the credit card to stay at a hotel and to party. He was caught. Through a really quick investigation, basically asking the Credit card company where the card was being used, then check with the hotel, then his party was over. He tried to explain his way out of the mess, but he was going to be charged with several violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (Theft, Larceny, Impersonation, etc), The victim of the crime didn't care about the charges, he wanted him to pay off the balance or he was going to file a civil law suit. The Navy was going to recommend him for court martial. He was working in the ship's galley at the time (The kitchen), Oddly he was really positive the day he left. I was also working as a Food Service Assistant. He went to go take out the trash, and never returned. He left everything, and left in his FSA uniform. Two weeks later, his parents drove down to San Diego to look for him. They got the Next-of-Kin Notification that their relative is UA/AWOL. They haven't heard from him. NCIS interviewed some people and determined the guy that had his wallet stolen had nothing to do with the disappearance. His disappereance was odd, because he left wearing a stinky uniform and taking nothing with him.

[Sasqwatcher]

That is very odd for somebody to just walk away like that.

[Allizdog2006]

campfire, on 23 May 2010 - 12:25 PM, said:

That is very odd for somebody to just walk away like that.

Two likely things... My opinion and thought on the matter is that he committed suicide and his body was never recovered.
Another plausible scenario is that he taken stuff off the ship in small amounts, and planting/placing when somewhere, then he went to go take out the trash, grabbed his stuff and left. But why I think it was suicide is because he would have been looking for support or somewhere to stay in that time frame, which obviously he didn't.

[Asylum_Souljah]

Thats awesome Alliz - thanks for sharing.

Do you think its at all possible that he had arranged to get away that day? And he may be out there somewhere living as someone totally different?

The reason I ask is that his past behaviour isnt exactly the best.

[Allizdog2006]

Asylum_Souljah, on 20 June 2010 - 10:28 PM, said:

Thats awesome Alliz - thanks for sharing.

Do you think its at all possible that he had arranged to get away that day? And he may be out there somewhere living as someone totally different?

The reason I ask is that his past behaviour isnt exactly the best.

It's likely he arranged or made arrangements to get away that day. He isn't on the NCIS website as missing or most wanted.. More on that on another post.

[Allizdog2006]

US Navy Missing Persons...

http://www.ncis.navy.mil/missing.asp

Sorry to say this, but most of the people they have listed are likely deceased.
The first guy listed; NCIS states "the ship reportedly passed between the Hawaiian Islands of Kauai and Niihau, at one point coming as close as 2,000 yards from shore" - I doubt he made it...

Second Case: NCIS States "Burgess was last seen on his ship on the morning of March 1, 2005, in San Diego Bay. " So the ship was essentially at sea. My opinion is he fell or jumped overboard. I was on the USS BOXER at the time, I vaguely remember this.

Third Case NCIS States "was on a ferry ride from Seattle to Bremerton when he disappeared on April 18, 1998, sometime between 4 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. A person matching his description was reportedly seen next by a crewmember of the ferry on its return trip to Seattle later that same morning. There have been no other reports relating to his whereabouts." - Matching his description, but may not have been him.

Fourth Case; John Doe; He is obviously deceased. " John Doe's" body was recovered in May 1997 during a dredging of the piers at the Norfolk Naval Base. The remains were of a black male between 21 to 25 years of age, and about 6' tall. He was wearing a multi-colored jacket and a long-sleeved Nautica shirt. The clothing and physical clues describe a man with muscular arms, a slim waist, and a prominently extended lower jaw. NCIS agents used the victim's skull to recreate his face."

Fifth Case; NCIS States "He has not been seen or heard of since. However, his clothing was found at a nearby construction site." - Scary!!!

Sixth Case; NCIS States "was last seen on August 15, 2005, when he failed to appear for muster. He had been placed on restricted status due to alleged misconduct involving a female minor on July 29, 2005. " - My opinion is he hiding out.

Seventh Case; NCIS States "Petty Officer XXXXXX disappeared from her post at the Treasure Island Naval Base in San Francisco, California, on March 14, 1995. The following day she telephoned her superior officer and stated she was leaving the Navy and not coming back. Kissinger does not drink or smoke, and is an avid long distance runner. She may be using the first name Miquelle and the last names Ortiz or Martinez. She enjoyed outdoor sports including snorkeling or scuba diving. Ms. Kissinger preferred to live in a warm climate and may be in close proximity to a beach. She may possibly be in Hawaii or the San Diego area. She also has a 3-inch scar on her right abdomen." - There is a bit of romanticize about this case. I hope she is out in San Diego, Hawaii or somewhere along the California coast enjoying a peaceful relaxing life along the beach.
My opinion; If she is still alive, she should hire a criminal defense lawyer and turn herself in. She likely wouldn't be charged with desertion (Because they way the law is worded in the Uniform Code of Military Justice), But she would be charged with a lengthy Fifteen year Unauthorized Absence charge and probably given 60 Days in the brig/restricted barracks and given an Other-Than-Honorable Discharge. In these cases, they don't usually go to Court Martial, just because it's a waste of time and money.

Eighth Case; NCIS States "gunnery sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps. He was last seen on May 19, 1995, dropping his daughter off at Sherwood Forrest Elementary School in Norfolk, Virginia. He never returned home. On May 30, 1995, his 1986 Ford van was found in Norfolk. The van was unlocked, with the keys in the ignition, and Casper's wallet on the seat. Rex Casper has a history of alcohol abuse and has gone through an alcohol rehabilitation program. He is described by many to be a loner, having a non-aggressive and laid-back personality. He interacts well professionally but keeps his personal life to himself. He is skilled in auto mechanics and enjoys nature, mountains, and forest areas." - MY opinion; He was into bad stuff, and bad stuff got worse.

Ninth Case; NCIS States "was last seen during the early morning hours of February 14, 1995. He disappeared under suspicious circumstances from the vicinity of the U.S. Naval Station, Pascagoula, Mississippi. He is known to frequent billiard parlors and bars with pool tables. He was last seen wearing light blue jeans, a blue-gray plaid shirt, a brown plaid flannel jacket, and brown leather ankle-high boots."

Tenth Case; NCIS States; as assigned to the U.S.S. Robison (DDG-12), which was in port at the Naval Shipyard in Bremerton, Washington, when he disappeared on January 4, 1982. William Kermig Summers is described as quiet, reserved, and a gentle loving person. He was raised Baptist and became very religious around the time of his disappearance. He became argumentative regarding his religious convictions and has been known to become physical in arguments. It is suspected that he has become involved in religious cults and might have a mental or emotional disorder. He likes tennis, fishing, and working with children and mentally handicapped people. Around the time of his disappearance, he mentioned an interest in moving to Canada. He could be going by the name of Andrew." - My Opinion; Living in some very remote area.

Eleventh Case. NCIS States "was assigned to VP-5, NAS Jacksonville, FL. Iventyev was last seen at dinner with friends on 31JAN03 at the Russian Moscow Nights Restaurant, Jacksonville, FL. Iventyev was driving a gold 1987 Mazda RX-7. Iventyev failed to report to duty on 01FEB03. To date Iventyev and his car have not been located. Yaroslav Victorovich Iventyev is well-liked by his friends and co-workers. He went by the name "Slava" when he was growing up and is called "KGB" by members of his squadron. He is described as a hard worker but can at times have a cocky attitude. He is a smoker and is very possessive about his property. He enjoys Russian restaurants and dance clubs. He likes to dance and has been known to involve himself in physical fights." - My Opinion, With this case, and the Ninth case; They probably/allegedly got too deep into stuff they shouldn't have been messing with such as drugs, dealing with organized criminal elements, fooling around with another guy's wife/girlfriend, underground gambling, etc.

Now some of the Navy's MOST Wanted;
http://www.ncis.navy.mil/wanted.asp

One of the more interesting Cases
"should be considered armed and dangerous and likely to resist arrest. Praefke has threatened suicide at various times throughout his adult life. He is known to use firearms; possesses an interest in bomb making and improvised explosive devices. He has expressed anti-law enforcement and anti-government views to family and friends. Last seen wearing desert camouflage" - My Opinion is; he is deep in hiding in hard to get to rural areas or committed suicide.


Anyways... I don't work for NCIS, the Government, and I have been out of the US Navy for a year now..

If you know the whereabouts of any of these people contact the following
http://www.ncis.navy.mil/contact.asp :
To report a tip on a WANTED or MISSING PERSON, or to report on any crime, please contact NCIS at one of the following numbers or e-mail us at ncistipline@ncis.navy.mil.

[Asylum_Souljah]

Interesting site. The third case you list I had read about on one of my fav sites The Charley Project.

There's a part of me that really doesnt 'get' why people disappear. (Apart from the obvious reasons).

[Allizdog2006]

Now this could be helpful for some people. What to do if you are AWOL/UA from the US Military.

If you are AWOL...
And have been for over five years, you have been discharged in Absentia. However, you are still wanted by the Military. There is still an outstanding warrant on you. Meaning, you get pulled over for a simple traffic ticket, you will be arrested and eventually turned over to the military and be looking at desertion charges, not to mention a huge bill from the government for transporting you. Desertion carries up to five years in prison. You want to avoid that.

IF you have been AWOL or UA for between one and longer (five, ten, fifteen, thirty years, etc); spend about two weeks to a month getting your personal affairs in order with your family, bank, employer, etc. Next step, is contact a lawyer, preferably a lawyer with military law experience. You and your lawyer contact your former branch's criminal investigation office; ie NCIS (Navy and Marine Corps), AFOSI (Air Force), CID (Army). Preferably the office at the base in which you went AWOL/UA at. If your command or base was disestablished, then contact the next largest base in the same region/state as your former base. Inform them of the following; Name, rank, serial number/social security number, command you went AWOL/UA from, when you went AWOL, if they have any further questions have your lawyer speak with them. Then tell them that you are planning on turning yourself in with your lawyer within 24, 48, or 72 hours. Choose a time within 72 hours of making the phone call.
From my experience as a Legal Clerk, Monday at about 0900 is the best time. Between 0730-0900; the base police, legal personnel, correctional staff are busy with meetings and still waking-up from the weekend. Take with you; your old uniforms, Military ID (if you still have them). This will help with trying to get the charges reduced from Desertion to a lengthy AWOL. IF they are any other charges with the addition AWOL/UA charge, then expect to go to jail. If it's only an AWOL/UA, then you may be sent to the restricted barracks.
Best case scenario, the military may decide to skip the Court Martial and do an Non-Judicial Punishment for a lengthy AWOL/UA. Which they don't want to spend the money on housing and feeding you. So, they may give you a light sentence of two weeks restriction and Other-Than-Honorable Discharge.
Court Martial; General, Special and Summary. If there are other serious charges involved, then it likely will go to General or Special Court Martial. If it's only desertion, then likely Special or Summary. Returning with the (now out of date) military ID and old uniforms will help prove that, and that you turned yourself in, does help your case, it could get the charges reduced.

Most of all, you don't want to stay AWOL. Get it taken care of.

[Ste]

My brother Jeremy Bright disappeared almost 25 years ago, seemingly without a trace. He is not forgotten

[Asylum_Souljah]

Sorry for your loss Ste, hopefully one day you might get some answers.

[Spike]

Sorry for your loss Ste. I read about your brother's disappearance. It really is bizarre in which the circumstances he disappeared. But like you said, he is not forgotten.

[Asylum_Souljah]

I have recently started reading again about missing persons, after concentrating on the paranormal primarily. Am currently working through the updates at The Charley Project. This is for sure one of the best, most indpethly compiled missing persons sites I have ever found.